Danner: Revealing The Truth About Torture Is ‘Debilitated…By The Practices Of The American Press’
By Matt Corley
March 17, 2009
On Sunday, journalist Mark Danner revealed a previously secret International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) report, which concluded that the Bush administration’s treatment of alleged al-Qaeda captives “‘constituted torture,’ a finding that strongly implied that CIA interrogation methods violated international law.”
As The Atlantic’s Andrew Sullivan noted yesterday, when the Washington Post wrote up the report, they “put the word torture in quotation marks.”
Appearing on CSPAN’s Washington Journal this morning, Danner took the
press to task for engaging in a “semantic debate” over whether the U.S.
committed torture under the Bush administration.
“One can continue to talk about torture is in the eye of the
beholder, etc etc, but frankly, nobody of any legal reputation believes
that,” said Danner. Later in the interview, he added that he was
“frustrated by the practices of the press” that are “interfering with a
clear debate”:
DANNER: I think the definitional question is extremely
important, and as I mentioned a moment ago, I think it’s extremely
important to get by it already. We’re debilitated in that by
some degree by the practices of the American press, frankly, which is
that as long as the president or people in power continue to cling to a
definition that they assert is the truth — as President Bush did when
it came to torture, he said repeatedly the United States does not
torture — the press feels obliged to report that and consider the
matter as a question of debate.
What we can say with certainty, in the wake of the Red
Cross report, is that the United States tortured prisoners and that the
Bush administration, including the president himself, explicitly and
aggressively denied that fact.
But despite the evidence of this certainty, traditional media
outlets still dance around using the word torture. Andrew Sullivan
calls this the “the cowardice of the MSM.” Danner calls it “ridiculous” and “a fallacy.”
Transcript:
DANNER: That definition is extremely important coming
from the International Committee of Red Cross. One can continue to talk
about torture is in the eye of the beholder, etc etc, but frankly,
nobody of any legal reputation believes that. And this is a view put
out by the last administration, there’s quite an extensive record of
it, of the strategy of putting this out. And it would be quite salutary
if the United States wants to actually get to the point where it can
discuss these things sensibly and investigate them effectively, and
decide whether the decisions that were made by the Bush administration
after the attacks of 9-11 made sense for national security. It would
make sense if we could get by this semantic debate, which frankly has
become somewhat ridiculous, and actually talk about what is done.
Because the Administration clearly believed they had to do these things
to protect national security. Now one can debate whether it was
necessary, what information was derived, whether it indeed protected
the country or not, but one cannot debate at this point whether or not
these things constituted torture and cruel, inhuman, and degrading
treatment under international law because they plainly did.
[…]
DANNER: I think the definitional question is extremely important,
and as I mentioned a moment ago, I think it’s extremely important to
get by it already. We’re debilitated in that by some degree by the
practices of the American press, frankly, which is that as long as the
president or people in power continue to cling to a definition that
they assert is the truth — as President Bush did when it came to
torture, he said repeatedly the United States does not torture — the
press feels obliged to report that and consider the matter as a
question of debate. The fact is thought that the current administration
does not hold to that view; that its Attornery General, Eric Holder, in
his confirmation hearing said bluntly, Waterboarding is torture; and
the government of the country no longer disputes that these activities
were torture. … So the idea that this is something that’s disputable
and who knows, and maybe we can ask someone else’s opinion and debate
this — it’s just not true, it’s a fallacy. And I’ve become somewhat
frustrated by the practices of the press. And this isn’t to cast doubt
on the bona fides or skills of individual reporters; it’s really a
matter of practice, that you need to present both sides. But I think at
this point this is interfering with a clear debate.